Democrats looked on course to significantly overperform as they held onto control of the Michigan state Senate with victory in a special election on Tuesday...
Michigan was so winnable in 2024 thanks to Israel–Palestine instead of the obvious “Trump fucking sucks and people are angry”
Jesus fucking christ, Michigan voters literally told Democrats they didn’t want to support the campaigns positions on Israel-Palestine in the primary. No gymnastics necessary. They wrote it onto their ballots.
You are calling 11.7% of voters in this county/ district “fuck all”. That’s the proportion that told the campaign exactly what was necessary, and you are saying this 11% of voters aren’t worth considering. This is precisely why Democrats lost the election.
Edit to the edit of the edit: I’m using district level & county level results for this specific district, which is why are numbers might disagree. We don’t actually get district level results for national offices, so we have to interpolate between county/ district.
You are calling 11.7% of voters in this county/ district “fuck all”
Where the fuck on Earth are you pulling this from? You just dropped a bunch of random-ass numbers in your above edit, and now you’re just like “11.7% of voters”. There is not an 11.7% Muslim vote in the 35th; are you on fucking meth?
Edit: “why are [sic] numbers might disagree. We don’t actually get district level results for national offices,”
Buddy, it’s in the article I linked when saying that. It literally says Harris “narrowly won” within the 35th overall in 2024. That’s not double-digit percentage points; that’s a percentage point or two between her and Trump at most. “Are” numbers differ because you appear to be pulling them out of fucking thin air.
11.7 was the “undecided” portion of Democratic primary votes in this county. You know. That campaign that happened specifically in Michigan where voters used “undecided” in an effort to move the campaigns away from their un-electable positions on Israel/ Gaza. Also, its like, pretty implicitly racist to imply that only Muslim voters were voting against genocide in Gaza. Its an aside, but its pretty glaring and you need to be called out for it. Many Michganders understood the importance of supporting their neighbors and community, both at home and globally, by opposing Biden and Harris’s support for genocide, even if you didn’t.
11.7 was the “undecided” portion of Democratic primary votes in this county.
Oh, okay, so you just decided:
Not to say what the 11.7% was – baselessly assuming that everyone would mutually understand.
To completely switch topics – whereas I said “Muslim vote in the 35th Senate district”, you decided to go with “undecided in the 2024 presidential primaries in this county” (the 35th is made of multiple counties, and you fail to even specify what “this county” is).
Not to provide a source.
That the alleged 11.7% undecided were ride-or-die on Israel–Palestine based on absolutely nothing.
That any of this at all pertains to the district’s status in 2026.
This is pigeon chess. You’re trying lazy numerical sleight-of-hand assuming people won’t actually question what you’re saying if you say it authoritatively enough. Steve Bannon would be proud of your ability to flood the zone by throwing mountains of bullshit out and hoping people get disoriented enough that they stop bothering to check.
Bruh stfu. You can go look up any electoral map to confirm the numbers. Politico, ballotopedia, CNN. Go pick one. You the one pushing pieces off the table once bringing numbers up became inconvenient to your narrative. You the lazy sloppo because you don’t even know the basic underlying results of any of these campaigns to be able to back up what you are saying, ALONG WITH complete and total historical revisionism.
I don’t owe you the labor of chewing up basic facts about the election and spitting them into your mouth like a mamma bird because you are too ignorant or lazy to do so yourself. If you don’t know things about elections, then maybe you shouldnt have a fucking opinion.
You literally just threw out numbers without any context and expected everyone to understand what you meant. You’ve since explained what you meant, but it’s still only partially relevant to this specific district, and you didn’t cite anything. Providing numbers without sources and presenting them as fact means what you said has no validity. The onus is on you to support your claims. If you can’t do that, then maybe you shouldn’t share your fucking opinion.
We’re discussing the weight that Israel/Palestine had on the election and I cited the district level “undecided” vote.
For me that’s more than plenty of context because anyone discussing election results, especially in Michigan, especially considering Democratic performance in '24, should already be aware of what was the superlative issues of the day were.
The people who don’t recognize the context are either politically illiterate, or, more likely, didn’t think it was important at the time that Biden and Harris change their approaches to Gaza.
Fortunately for us, with regards to commenters here, the latter is well documented and I know the apologists for genocide walking these halls only fake political illiteracy when it’s convenient to their political objectives.
Ah. More, “voting for Harris means you are a genocide apologist” rhetoric. Short sighted, narrow minded, and the huge reason Trump is president. It takes a whole bunch of stupid and copium to justify sitting back and abstaining from voting or voting third party giving the clear advantage to Trump. Anyone that falls in that group doesn’t actually care about Palestine/Gaza, domestic US policies, minority rights, or global relations, it’s all just emotionally charged saber rattling to make them feel morally superior. If they cared, they’d have swallowed their pride and voted for the clearly better, but not perfect, candidate in a two party system. Damn near everything bad that’s happened over the past 17 months would be better if Harris were POTUS right now.
No. Blaming voters for not voting for a pro-genocide candidate makes you a genocide apologist. If you don’t like that, stop making excuses for the candidate, full stop.
It was true when it was happening and its only become more clear: Harris and Biden needed to not be in support of genocide to win the election. Period. There was no alternative thing they could have done and won the election. If you represented any kind of a barrier to this change taking place, you represented a barrier to stopping Trump from taking the white house. This election result puts the same thing which was obviously true in the primary season of '24 into even starker relief: The votes were there, just not for genocide.
Don’t want to get called a genocide apologist? Easy peasy. Stop apologizing for the Democratic candidate being pro-genocide.
Jesus fucking christ, Michigan voters literally told Democrats they didn’t want to support the campaigns positions on Israel-Palestine in the primary. No gymnastics necessary. They wrote it onto their ballots.
You are calling 11.7% of voters in this county/ district “fuck all”. That’s the proportion that told the campaign exactly what was necessary, and you are saying this 11% of voters aren’t worth considering. This is precisely why Democrats lost the election.
Edit to the edit of the edit: I’m using district level & county level results for this specific district, which is why are numbers might disagree. We don’t actually get district level results for national offices, so we have to interpolate between county/ district.
Where the fuck on Earth are you pulling this from? You just dropped a bunch of random-ass numbers in your above edit, and now you’re just like “11.7% of voters”. There is not an 11.7% Muslim vote in the 35th; are you on fucking meth?
Edit: “why are [sic] numbers might disagree. We don’t actually get district level results for national offices,”
Buddy, it’s in the article I linked when saying that. It literally says Harris “narrowly won” within the 35th overall in 2024. That’s not double-digit percentage points; that’s a percentage point or two between her and Trump at most. “Are” numbers differ because you appear to be pulling them out of fucking thin air.
11.7 was the “undecided” portion of Democratic primary votes in this county. You know. That campaign that happened specifically in Michigan where voters used “undecided” in an effort to move the campaigns away from their un-electable positions on Israel/ Gaza. Also, its like, pretty implicitly racist to imply that only Muslim voters were voting against genocide in Gaza. Its an aside, but its pretty glaring and you need to be called out for it. Many Michganders understood the importance of supporting their neighbors and community, both at home and globally, by opposing Biden and Harris’s support for genocide, even if you didn’t.
Oh, okay, so you just decided:
This is pigeon chess. You’re trying lazy numerical sleight-of-hand assuming people won’t actually question what you’re saying if you say it authoritatively enough. Steve Bannon would be proud of your ability to flood the zone by throwing mountains of bullshit out and hoping people get disoriented enough that they stop bothering to check.
Bruh stfu. You can go look up any electoral map to confirm the numbers. Politico, ballotopedia, CNN. Go pick one. You the one pushing pieces off the table once bringing numbers up became inconvenient to your narrative. You the lazy sloppo because you don’t even know the basic underlying results of any of these campaigns to be able to back up what you are saying, ALONG WITH complete and total historical revisionism.
I don’t owe you the labor of chewing up basic facts about the election and spitting them into your mouth like a mamma bird because you are too ignorant or lazy to do so yourself. If you don’t know things about elections, then maybe you shouldnt have a fucking opinion.
You literally just threw out numbers without any context and expected everyone to understand what you meant. You’ve since explained what you meant, but it’s still only partially relevant to this specific district, and you didn’t cite anything. Providing numbers without sources and presenting them as fact means what you said has no validity. The onus is on you to support your claims. If you can’t do that, then maybe you shouldn’t share your fucking opinion.
We’re discussing the weight that Israel/Palestine had on the election and I cited the district level “undecided” vote.
For me that’s more than plenty of context because anyone discussing election results, especially in Michigan, especially considering Democratic performance in '24, should already be aware of what was the superlative issues of the day were.
The people who don’t recognize the context are either politically illiterate, or, more likely, didn’t think it was important at the time that Biden and Harris change their approaches to Gaza.
Fortunately for us, with regards to commenters here, the latter is well documented and I know the apologists for genocide walking these halls only fake political illiteracy when it’s convenient to their political objectives.
Ah. More, “voting for Harris means you are a genocide apologist” rhetoric. Short sighted, narrow minded, and the huge reason Trump is president. It takes a whole bunch of stupid and copium to justify sitting back and abstaining from voting or voting third party giving the clear advantage to Trump. Anyone that falls in that group doesn’t actually care about Palestine/Gaza, domestic US policies, minority rights, or global relations, it’s all just emotionally charged saber rattling to make them feel morally superior. If they cared, they’d have swallowed their pride and voted for the clearly better, but not perfect, candidate in a two party system. Damn near everything bad that’s happened over the past 17 months would be better if Harris were POTUS right now.
No. Blaming voters for not voting for a pro-genocide candidate makes you a genocide apologist. If you don’t like that, stop making excuses for the candidate, full stop.
It was true when it was happening and its only become more clear: Harris and Biden needed to not be in support of genocide to win the election. Period. There was no alternative thing they could have done and won the election. If you represented any kind of a barrier to this change taking place, you represented a barrier to stopping Trump from taking the white house. This election result puts the same thing which was obviously true in the primary season of '24 into even starker relief: The votes were there, just not for genocide.
Don’t want to get called a genocide apologist? Easy peasy. Stop apologizing for the Democratic candidate being pro-genocide.